I have a bunch of these bullets given to me by a fellow who had a White rifle and sold it.

I tried them in a Traditions Lightning Lightweight which they seemed to fit quite well. With 90 grains of Pyrodex P they shot beautifully! But they are such heavyweights, I think they would be good for elk and bear, but are unecessarily heavy for deer hunting. Recoil is up there in the "noticeable" range also.