My thoughts mirror Franks.

I have the Ice and a Commander on order and I will tell you this, the Ice is the best single cam bow I have ever shot, I have just finished changing out my target gear on it and putting it back into hunting mode (have a hog hunt tomorrow) flung a few arra's with BH's and it is spot on.

In target mode Scope, long stabilizer etc at 70 yards it shoots 2" groups and I have NEVER been able to do that before with a single cam bow.
It dont have the out right speed for 3d but until my Commander gets here I will be using the ICE for 3d.