The 460 gr. bullets will not shoot well in my white rifle in .451. I tried a bunch of different powder charges. The kicker here is when I bought the rifle the guy I bought it from gave me some bullets. they are big conicals and the shoot really well. They are shorter than the 460's and I dont think he would have bought them from bullshop. maybe no excuses or white. What do you think i should try next I am thinking about the 200 gr. xtp in a sabot. I would like to shoot the conicals and try out the bullshop what do you think i should try any help would be great, thanks.