the spot i hunt i didnt get serious about untill the early birds came and went. so i didnt spend much time in the stand untill november, by then there were only does to be seen and of course me holdeth out for a buck. well i have a buddy stand that i share time with the son or my better half who really doesent want to see a deer get shot but loves to be out doors. so at least i got somthing out of the season even if i couldnt fill a tag. better luck next year i guess ( by the way my son was hunting on a youth apprentice licence, one of the smartest things Ohio has done for kids. he is 9 )