Hawkeye. . .thanks for the reply. . . .all good points. . . . The good news. . .the great plains hunter is a 1 in 32" twist made just for us folks who wish maximum accuracy with conacles. But being a ML newby I just don't have the feel yet on what I should expect from such a gun using sights as mentioned once I get my loads dialed in. From what I have been reading on the boards here it seems like the groups I suggest are not too outside what I should expect. I was just hoping to see something from you folks that suggests that yes the lyman Greatplains with the sights mentioned will yield my expected results.