well steve i dont know what you want to hear....honestly around here a 1.5 yo 6 point is pretty rare, but not unlikely last year a kid killed a 95lb 10 pointer, nothing is perfect, however i would liek to give them a little better odds, we can disagree that is fine. and our experiences are different, most of the guys i know shoot smaller bucks then say they shot it because they hadn't seen anything else and wanted to shoot something. .....i DO NOT agree that AR's should be used in general al over teh state, i think that in places where the herd can benefit from ti they shoudl eb implemented, not in others..........either way.......not everyone is going to be happy, either way....if we keep it the way it is or change to AR's people ill be pissed....hell Gary Alts life was threatened when he changed.......i say that the only thing that can be implemented state wide is higher penalties for poaching and more enforcment of the laws that are already in place.......i personally believe this will help the herd more than people think. ......................

Doctari.....also the only way i can see the button buck situation working is if someone uses their buck tag to tag a button buck.. thats the only solution, and most likely not a fair one. there will never ever be an ideal situation in the NYS deer herd, but i feel that AR's in certain areas would at least give the deer a little bit of an edge to get a little older.