fletch,.are you kidding me, Ny def. has teh Genes. and the agriculture to produce big bucks, it has already been proven. And you say "oh no dont shoot the does"...but QDM requires teh shooting of lots of does, and i do my part of that, however. i'm not going to tell you what to shoot......given this scenario.be honest.you have a nice big 8 point 2.5 y/o and a 4pt 2.5 yo show up both have the same body size. but the 8 pt is behind brush, the 4 pt in teh open what are you going to do?..shoot the 4 pt....fine but if you say 8pt then you have no right to call other guys rack hunters. the whole idea of AR's is so that more 2.5 y/o will make it, yes that is young, but they are smarter and more evasive then a dumb horny 1.5 yo..............sorry but those are almost as easy to kill than squirrels.....yes more 2.5 y/o will be killed but more will make it to 2.5 y/o so therefore more will eb around.