John - I believe then our goals are similar - we just see different ways to get there.

You say you only saw 2 deer in your area. Do you feel the habitat would support more? Because if it will, then my idea that the herd should be managed to match numbers to habitat would provide you if the opportunity to see and harvest more deer. And with greater numbers would come seeing more bigger deer even if the % stayed the same.

Our numbers in much of CNY and western NY are higher then yours - hence we some some real slobs coming from here without playing with AR or other buck management schemes. May not be enough for some, but they are here to hunt and really mean something when taken. Again, I feel a herd managed for proper numbers provides all hunters with the realistic opportunities they seek.

Steve