Steve no need to apologize, debating a subject that is near and deer (pun intended) to our hearts usually brings out our emotions... which shows we care. I am not a trophy hunter as some are, I to hunt mostly to fill my freezer and to enjoy my time outdoors. I just think it would be nice to let the deer get bigger so I can do so without having to fill all my tags. The area in tioga countywhere I hunt I only saw 2 deer this past season both were doe and I got a clean shot on one and put her in the freezer. I would like to put a 180 or 190 WEIGHT class deer in my freezer and that is why I would go for the AR's I mentioned.