RE: Waterdog!!
My family has run an upland bird hunting buisness for years, and we train all our own dogs blah blah blah. we never use collars until the dogs start testing us. usually once a year, halway through the season. We'll get a dog that decides to strets the limits a little too much, and you zap him with very little power, not even enough to make him yelp, and its all good for the rest of the year. BUT if you think about it, how did you learn when you were a kid? When i was a boy, and i did something wrong, i got whooped... sometimes pain is the best teacher in my opinion.