RE: Waterdog!!
Swampthing,
You are dead on. If you spend the time each day 15min there is no need for the collar. With that being said I own collar but havent used it in years, I figure that most of my dogs faults are actually my own. If a guy would work his dog during commercial breaks every day it would be one hell of a dog. My dog usually retreives about 200-500 birds a year and im about as lazy as they come when it comes to training so i chalk almost all of it up to good basics and natural desire.