I've got a Staghorn Mag, I shoot 100 grains of Trip 7 and a 295 grain hollow point, I made a 5/8" 3 shot group at 100 yards, taken 11 deer in 4 years with it. While its not the top of the line it works. i got my son a .45 cal Eclipse Mag CVA for 69 dollars at Gander Mountain this summer, slapped a Simmons 3x9x40 scope I got from CDNN investments for 28 bucks and it shoots good. Its not no 200 yard gun, but my son doesnt shoot that far, nor would I let him yet.