are you serious? wow. I bought those back in 04 and they shot fair, 3" groups at 100 and so i went with them. Im sure u've read my story already but incase not, the first day of hunting, it was misty out so i slung it barrel down, 20 minutes later i shot at a doe, turns out, the bullet had fallen out of its cup. It would be a good bullet if they improved on its cup design so it wouldnt fall out. When i first saw them i was like coool! a powerbelt without the cost! That day i found out that the little extra to pay was worth the $. I like the sabortooths design but now i would only consider using them for practice shooting. My other choice of bullet, one i have never shot is the 245 grain great plains bullet. I'd like to see how those shoot. I think a dab of super glue at the end of the sabortooth bullet would help keep it in its sabot and then blow it away when the rifle goes off. I may just buyan assortment ofbullets later on and have a day full of shooting. Thanks for the response, im going to start ordering assorments once i get some cash. My latest project is like having a girl friend, burns a hole in your wallet.