bobby...you may be right and i wouldnt consider them bad dudes...now if the person can accurately take deer with one shot that far..hes a bad dude....my friend and his dad take shots from 100-600yds all the time and they use lots of ammo and i would NEVER consider them bad dudes...their deer look like swiss cheese before they die...and the son told me it would be so much easier to hunt like me putting one round in the gun and hunting the deers bedrooms in a thicket with shots under 50yds...he doesnt realize he can smell like what he wants and have the wind wrong where he hunts and still see deer...if the winds a hair off in my woods im busted..i just laughed to my self and said whatever! i think they are pretty pathetic...the boy i know for a fact he has 2 magazines one in the gun and one loaded in his pocket and tons of ammo on him and more in the truck! the last deer i seen had 8 body hits and one in the rack...that was a pathetic sight...but if they did it cleanly with one hit and a clean kill id put them in the bad dude book....so you are right bobby unless hes taking them with one shot...