ORIGINAL: Pglasgow
ORIGINAL: gleason.chapman
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Pglasgow,
I agree the lost deer is my fault, since I didn't hit the deer properly behind the front shoulder where I was aiming, and I was using a bullet that is known not to penetrate and I was NOT aware of that. It is NOT well know outside of this forum that PB don't penetrate. Also, I did not say people are lazy, I said they want easy loading as I do, it is not wrong or lazy to want easy loading. That is why I clean betweenshots anduse Crushed Rib sabot, the cleaning is for accuracy and ease of loading.
I am sorry I offened you by talking about your PB bullets, that was not my intent to offend you. I do not think people arelazy for using PB, but I do thinka lot of people, including myself 3 years ago,don't know their limitations.
So again forgive me if I offended you and other PB users out there.
Chap Gleason
Chap, I haven't hunted with Powerbelts. I know lots of people that do. I think the point you've missed all along is that there are situations where projectiles like the Powerbelt are the appropriate choice. It's the all ornothing philosophy that I take issue with. I've said this before, we haveno evidence that a heavy, slower movingunjacketed projectile of equivalent impact energyto a lighter faster movingjacketed projectile will be less effective in killing or penetrating game. It doesn't make sense topaint the whole PB picture as though its 100 grains and a 245 PB. Every weight of PB performs differently with that same 100 grains. Learning isfinding out what went wrong and why.And it turns out that thereis always more than one solution to a problem, the one you proposed is just one of them.
Pglasgow,
Yes there are situations where one uses PB, and some of the forum members said where they would use them. As for my all or nothing philosophy on PB which you are taking issuewith---I only deer hunt with ML, and sometarget shooting, so Ihave no need for a bulletthat will not penetrate. Hank in the response below said it better than I did. The thread started out about PB Disintegrates. I agree they do. Now still use them for hunting?You say yes in some situations, OK that is fine for some, just not for me.
As for penetration of aslow moving projectile vs a Jacketed fast moving projectile, i.e. bullet penetration, thischart shows me a lot:
http://www.snipersparadise.com/tsmag/July03/TSD%20Wound%20Chart-MZ.xls
it shows me PRB doesn't penetrate much or mushroom much. It shows me that PBs(Copper Black Belt in the Chart) only penetrate into clay 14.5". it show me barnes and Noslers went about 20". From this I conclude that a Jacketed bullet penetrates much deeper than a HP bullet,which both the Aero-Tip and the regular PB are. Mushroom sizes vary, but I conclude that anything from Line 14 down will kill a deer.I also remember why Nosler invented the Partition, it was because he couldn't get a moose to go down with traditional HP and SP bullets in the 1940's. So I think we are having the same debate in 2006/2007 that he had in 1940, why do you need a Jacketed bonded bullet for a ML? I think penetration. Please correct me if I am wrong. Thanks for your Point of View.
Chap Gleason Va