i can understand about keeping the scope low but its all how the gun stock and action fit together. for instance the prefered rifle of maine woodds and parts of pennsy is the good old 760-7600. you can put see throughs on it and still use the irons with little stretch. in other word you can get away using both.this is great for tracking and hunting heavy brush when deer like to just pop out quick on you. my brothers cva optima is a real neck stretcher. his set up is medium see through rings with a 3x9x40 set up. my question was more about fit and being able to use either without requiring a cheek pad. i sold off my regular stock for the omega and i will get my thumbhole stock in a week so i was just trying to get an idea.