RedLion, I was just mentioning possible long term durability. That said I have never seen an 870 wingmaster or express fail. In my opinion they are the ONLY pump gun made. I don't worry to much about looks either, 870's are born to hunt, not just sit on a shelf and look at. My wingmaster has been in the family longer than I have and the stock is starting to look like a chainsaw chewed on it. Not to mention the blue/rust combo on the steel. Still never fails me. Scared to clean it up, it might get offended and start acting up.