All I can say is...buy an Ithaca. Deerslayers are the ultimate slug gun, either smoothbore or rifled barrel.

I have an old Model 37 12ga. smoothbore, and can consistently get 2-4 inch groups at 75 yards. Without a scope, I can consistently get 4-6 inch groups at 100 yards with Federals.

This year I picked up a few boxes of Brenneke's, and they outperform the Federals, better accuracy with a reduced recoil.

Hey SCB, I also find that Rems go all over the place, some not even finding the target at 50 yards.

I'm not surprised with what Forestboy stated...and the new Ithaca Storms are supposed to have even greater accuracy...that's almost scary.

S&R