i mean i have used alot of climbers i never had a problem besides 1 time with my steelback i didnt hook it up right an the bottom sliped i mean its hard for me to trust a cable im not a small dude nor a big dude im only 210lbs but the fact of a cable holding me in the treecreeps me out u know i seen alot of videos where people die or get hurt and most are cable climbers but the summit i heard is really good i use alot of ladder stands metal or wooden but when i see that coating come off its weird but thats my opion but please give me more stands to choose from ladder climber or rap around