146 and im guessing 148. Either way they were long lol. I try to answer questions as best as i can but i dont answer questions about traditions inlines due to me never owning one. But one thing i do know, winchester sets it self apart from cva/bpi by a long shot when it comes to quality and building a great shooting rifle. I just favor winchester due to them shooting whatever u stuff down the barrel and like ive said many many times, they shoulder well and the balance is amazing. I know of 3 bullets that have shot well in my rifle and tell others who ask what shoots good. I may come off as a trouble maker, especially when Triple and i get in to it lol but i mean no harm to him or anyone else. Every forum needs 2 guys like triple and me to bring out the up's and downs about other muzzleloaders. Its like the winchester muzzleloader, I havnt found one bad report unless you cound the guy with the .45 x-150 and accuracy problems. I only owned one .45 Ml'er and it shot well with the 285 remington bullets. If it wernt for me talking about the winchesters, alot of guys/girls would be missing out of this amazing deal going on. And they truely are excellent made ML'ers. I always see, ahhhh made in spain, they are junk. Not true at all! You'll find out soon enough that the made in spain winchester will hang with the big boys.