Oh yes I will listen, I am still green as ever. I want to learn all that I can from you all. Should I continue to use the bag or use the antlers? I will try the antlers on the ground. THis buck is old I THINK. He has been around for about 4 years I remember seeing his big foot print close to 4 years ago. He is smart, I have never seen him. My wife has at night driving down the road. I am afraid that the only way to kill him is to use nighvision. Not really I am sure some of you could come down here and leave the same day with him. I will rattle some and I have the estras bleat can. I won't put out the tinks this time. IS ALL OF THIS RIGHT? tell me is I am going wrong about it.