i watched 2 guys talking and the one guy pointed and looked like he said go there and made a circle with his hands showing the other guy where he was going(im almost positive...)and i think the guy pushed for him..the deer ran across a trail and i caught one and bagged me a big doe..im almost positive they came out of their drive...just sit your stand you cant kill a deer if you arent in the woods...or if you really think it is going to mess you up go elsewhere...i know i always have atleast 4 other stands to goto incase somthing makes me not wanna goto the main stand...