I have been shooting the brenneke's for 5 years now.. and they hit like a truck. I have never had a deer run after being shot. On 11/19/06 I shoot the biggest deer(9 point 154 lbs.dressed)of hunting career with Bren slug. (1 1/4 oz.) at 75 yards and it hit the floor like a rock. Not even a step. and Not even a sabot. I have a rifled barrel just haven't changed yet. just my 2 cents.