I've had a brand new climber collapse(catasropic stand failure)and drop me upside down from about 12 feet as I was climbing. It was a Loggy Bayou that they pulled from the market almost before it hit it. I had bought mine at a big show before they hit the stores. It had composite arms that all exploded. They wouldn't make it right either, but that's a long story. Fortunately I had on a safety belt. Get a harness or you'll die or get hurt or something. I had another kick out in the rain on a slick tree before there were hand climbers, safety belts or anything. It was a fast hard slide that busted my arrows and took all the skin off my arms, chin and face. It hurt SOOOOOOOooooooooo bad. That was in the days of hugging the tree and pulling your Baker up behind you.