ok heres how the sierra game king 165gr hpbts perform in a 3006 behind 48.5 grs of 4064(i thing thats the #s)...first deer was at 50 yds or so perfect lung shot busted atleast one sholder i cant member which one or if i got both...dropped her...a nice big fat doe hard...normal finger sized entrance and exit about the same..insides were messed up good...second deer..a 6pt..prolly 1.5yrs old..decint body..25 yd shot or so...hit right infront of the right shoulder and busted the left on the exit got the lungs good..he made it about 25yds before piling up with a good blood trail that i didnt need...entrance was normal and the exit was a bit bigget than a quarter..in my book they are keepers! story is on the deer hunting forum under what a hunt!! if you want to get details of the day..