Jeff you know how much you love your dog..multiply that love and care. ive never deer hunted with dogs but have ran coonhounds, begals, and bird dogs. but if i ever get the chance to hunt big game wether its deer, bear, hogs, mt lions etc im game. i used to run coonhounds at a very young age. that was my absolute favorite hunting. words cant explain what it feels like to train and teach a dog to hunt. some people think its cruel or blah blah etc. my dogs WERE NOT happy if they werent runnin. thats what they loved to do. to train them to do what they do and watch and listen to them work is awesome. just a feeling you cant put into words. and you become alot more attached to a hunting dog i feel. you spend the time with him in training and hunting. you just develope a bond and connection. my dog could tell it was time to go hunting just by a certain light flicking on, or dad pulling in at a certain time. dog hunting just does somethin i cant explain.

glad to see that you took consideration for diffrent parts of the counrty being diffrent. it truely is. theres guys that dont know what its like to have the frustrations of other hunters. let alone 1 million on the opener of gun season. oh PA is a decint sized state sure...but a good bit of it is residential or commercial. if its not its probably posted or public and way overhunted. i wish i was hunting the state game lands the first day. id show you guys what ONE little dirt road looks like on the opener. itll be bad at home where ill be too...but the woodlots are smaller and it spreads guys out a little bit and you cant capture 20+ cars in one pic.

and matt. i been driving for 5 years now i think. NONE of my shots have been at mach 4..they may come OUT at mach 4..but when a drive is done right the pushers walk slow and quiet to get deer up and moving but not 100% bolting. once in a while they do..but when they do its usually early on in the drive and the deer slows before it gets to the shooters. i killed atleast 5 deer from drives and seen probably atleast a couple hundred. only ones that run are the stupid ones that run the open fields and the ones that were just kicked up. but all the ones i stopped werent even moving. they stop just like any other deer...now if you have a huge group of guys REALLY driving deer bangin on pots and pans, hollering etc then yes..you will get bolting deer that probably wont stop. my drives arent anything like that. our drives are pretty soft. couple guys standing, couple guys sitting and slow quiet walking. our walkers kill as many deer as the sitters because they are quiet and slow..without driving hunting the smaller woodlots at home is about useless. deer can and will hide in any cover..and cover in the farmland is abundant. brush patches and fencerows everywhere..with all the guys in the woods its the best method of hunting once the orange army is out...