thats the thing...im 15 and PA says we have to beable to yell to eachother and understand to be legal..but last year i shot one of the does right over the hill across the trail from our main spot..traild being used on bothe sides of a cut gamecommision trail..i dont see a problem with doing that and i doubt he would..just not on the first day...i wouldnt want to be alone on the first day...there are tons of lead flingers here in PA and who knows when i might catch one..and i hate to pass up good meat because who knows what might happen...maybe i will get sick or something like that and i cant get back out that season and if i dont hunt chances of my dad going are slim..he told me im the reason he goes except in turkey season so that would be a venison free year and id hate that...thats why when i see a nice healthy deer i liek to take it..and this post really is assuring me in a way that next year if i hunt away from dad and wait a while i have a good chance of seeeing a buck..and this year if all goes as planned and like last year(only i will drop what i shoot) i will have my doe for that county and will be a buck hunter...and we plan ot hunt that county alot...my dad got 2 does tags there this year so we will be up there alot...i will tell him after i got my doe i want to sit watching somewehre diffrent and see if i can get me a buck without him scaring them by taking a doe...if not thats fine next year i will be alone and bow hunting!! i always see big bucks in archery season while fall turkey hunting! i will live without a rack until then if i must...