Everyone has opinions on guns. All I did was share mine. I did not say that getting a good gun for a great price was wrong. What I said was that the REMINGTON was a ripoff because you can find the same gun with a Traditions name for much less. However, judging by Traditions standing in the muzzleloader society, I do not recommend the Remington because it is made by Traditions. If you had any knowledge of guns you'd know that Traditions firearms have had more problems than any other manufacturer on the planet. It's no miracle that their name disappeared from Cabela's catalogs. By the way, the gun is called the Tradition's Yukon and is $140 at
www.sportsmansguide.com. The stock number is LX6P-106471.That should answer your question. Tell me when you find it.