I've owned 4-5 different climbers and if you are wanting an all day stand you HAVE to get a TREE LOUNGE!There is no comparison! I've had the summit as well as an API< OLe man, etc.. And the tree lounge is by far the most comfortable and safest there is. I always threatened to put a post in my family room and move the tree lounge inside! They are however, a little cumbersome to carry around(but most climbers are ), but the comfort is worth it