SalCucco, I planted two new logging roads this past April with a 50-50 mix of Tecomate Bucks and Bosses and Pennington's Durana Clover. Both these products will tolerate some shade and lower ph's. As of last Friday they were lush green beautiful plots that the deer are utilizing. Take a soil test first and give it a try next spring. I'm very happy with my results. Antler Addict