I went up yesterday to put a stand up and they're just tearing the hell out of the area. there's either alot of smaller bucks that are following each other around or a few that are doing nothing but going from tree to tree seeing who can rip up the ground and tree the best. I still haven't smelled that real hard scent of urine yet though. Alot of years I walk back in there and it smells like an overflowing outhouse at a single outhouse kegger and pig roast..... Shouldn't be long now though, it's starting to frost in the mornings up here by Shady. Good luck to yall.........