Thanks for the reply. When you use the screw in style ones, what is the placement of the steps? Are they more infront of you instead of on the sides of the tree? Also, whats the distance between steps for you? I'm trying to find a good comfort zone for spacing and step placement. Tomorrow will be my maiden voyage for mine...lol. So far i've only been up about 5 foot to get the feel of the saddle. I can tell I am really gonna like it!