Those are the type of guys that shoot at a movement in the brush and kill hunters not deer. Practice on the range does pay off, This year I took a 5 point not a hanger but a nice 125lb dressed deer and my son got his first one a doe agian not a hanger but about 100 lbs dressed. both clean shots.Mine went about 100 yds and my son dropped his where she stood so practice does indead pay off.Practice and be SAFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>