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11-26-2002 | 01:55 PM

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RE: Ban compounds from archery season - thoughts ??

JRW -

" You accuse others of not being able to debate, and dodging, but you exemplify the concept of selective memory? When Arrowsmit calls you to the mat for this, you simply explain it with "I was wrong". Well, what were you "wrong" about? These are your experiences, not your opinions. Did your eyes not see what they saw for all those years?

And this, SC, is why I ROTFLMAO every time I see you start another one of these threads. Tell me I can't debate? Heck son, you can't even debate your own "experience". "

What I wrong about is judging others on the equipment they use and their hit/miss ratios. What I was wrong about was the ease of use of crossbows compared to the ease of use of compounds - they are not all that different. My opinion and view has changed over the past year or so, thats clear, isn't it ? But you know, I aint ashamed of that nor will I apologize for it. JRW - you ever changed your mind about something ? I don't often, I am not easily swayed nor convinced, but on the crossbow debate I was. Why is the question I think you're wanting answered.

I applied the same logic to compounds vs longbows/recurves. Seriously. Those things I said a year ago - that argument was based on two things - #1 that crossbows are so easy to use and #2 that people are irresponsible with them. I think now that compounds are not all that more difficult and are in fact better weapons to use (and I have posted time and gain facts to back that), and that trying to regulate the archery population to adhere to a certain stadard be it ethical or functional - that too isn't possible nor is it the way things work.

Fact is, no one can stop that coworker of mine from hunting this weekend with his compound. He has a bow he's shot twice and can outshoot most recurve/longbow shooters at 20 yards. What more need he do ? Practice at 40 yards, practice at 60 yards ... whats the criteria and is that REALLY where we want archery to go - some kind of mandatory break in period or proficiency testing ? A lot of people would fail that - you and I on a given day might fail that, and then, even then you cannot stop a person from taking an ill advised shot - even 11 out of 12 ill advised shot if that were the case.

So yes, I was wrong in all of those assumptions, I was wrong on jumping on the bandwagon of the crossbow haters and ethcial police as the term goes. Quite a few people on here are thinking use what you want to as long as its legal and make smart shots - no judging, no my season and your season, not slurs on the equipment used. I think I have matured towards that and you know, I am fine with it as long as crossbows do nothing to take away from archery season. When its proven that they do then they need to be looked at again. Hasn't happened in Arkansas in 30+ years.

<u>Charlie P said that recurve/longbow shooters made the same cases against compounds early on - the more accurate comments, the easier to use comments, the whole drawing and holding weight issues, the slob hunters side ... in other words had they won, the majority of you posting and reading this topic would never have gotten a chance to use a compound bow - an easier to use and more effective overall weapon - in legal archery season. Think about that. Thats imnportant. how many of use shoot flintlocks ? How many inlines ? Be honest with yourself and tell me you choose a easier to use wepon because it better fits your hunting style ? And THATS FINE, and its exactly what crossbow shooters do. They still have to get 20-25 yards from an animal just like anyone else. Yes, they have a weapon that some consider easier to use, and some consider compounds that much easier to. Perspective - its all about perspective.</u>

So you might have been posting all those quotes to slur me or it might have been to prove an obscure point, but in no way was it debating the topic of compounds, crossbows and traditional style bows, was it ? When I was 16 I said a lot of things I didn't mean, when I was 23 I said and did a lot of things I shouldn't have and wouldn't again and I figure I'll continue to learn and grow throughout my life. Your anti-crossbow argument, the one you post in not so many words and expect people to assemble themselves over the course of a thread, doesn't hold water. I was on your side JRW, I argued too and eventually it dawned on me that I was saying MY archery season, MY opinons on what people should use, MY definiton of ethical - just like you are doing. I'm not saying rules shouldn't exist and that technology isn't going to far - in fact I have some other unpopular views that I like to voice occassionally - but to ban a bow such as a crossbow when the glaringly obvious similarities exist between it and a compound without applying the same in comparison with longbows/recurves - it just doesn't make sense to me and to a lot of people it seems.

On a personal note - I'd like to see people shooting longbows/recurves. I think they'd find its a lot of fun - something archery should be. But it ISN'T for me to decide nor dictate. Maybe not for you either. The G&F in Arkansas made that decision years ago ( you were going to tell me how long, right ??) so did Ohio and a couple of others I think and what do we have today ? Record deer herds, bigger bucks than ever, 5 month seasons and libieral bag limits. Crossbows are not bad here (based on those reasons, NOT opinion), I think states elsewhere are seeing that.

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