IGINAL: germain

Depends what part of the state we're talking about.Better yet it depends on big tracts of public land compared to private land with limited access.The tusc forest in perry county has alot of area with 5 DPSM.It doesn't matter how many hunters you have there most aren't going to see a tail.Same goes with 10-12 DPSM.Most state land is close to that number so yeah there's going to be quite a few folks seeing few or no deer.It's not realistic to think all the hunters in an area are going to find those tiny pockets holding a few deer.Besides if they did,1-it would be two crowded2-they'd kill the few deer that are left.You can have a million man orange army but if the numbers are below say 15 DPSM sightings are going to be few and far between.How many of them will get shot before others even get that chance to see them?Low numbers are the reason for few sightings.Low hunter numbers now reflect that.It just isn't feesable for a fellow to drive 4 or 5 hours to hunt 5-10 DPSM in say Tioga state forest.

[/quote] germain, the true meat hunter will go to great lengths to get that meat..ones i know are going to philadelphia area and up to new york state..they are getting motels etc. most of these i know are only interested in meat.when the deer were a plenty here in 2g, they used to fill their pick-up trucks.they would use every tag they had in their group.now, no deer here so they are hunting elsewhere..the cost they are spending, heck they could but 5 steers for what it cost.its not the SPORT OF HUNTING they are doing,its the disease of MEAT.. at any cost, it just does not make sense to me..this is why i say deer will NEVER come back UNLESS doe permits are reduced and 1 deer and you are done,buck or doe..if not, these hunters will carry and use every tag they can get their hands on..only way to stop them is 1 deer and you are done.. then, if they are in woods with gun trying to fill all those tags ,they can be arrested..but,the pgc has them addicted now,what the heck, they could legally kill 4 or 5 doe..its real hard to stop doing that..sorry i rambled again,sportsmen are staying put here or giving it up..the meat hunter is going to where he can fill all those tags..