If you haven't tried them yet you should. We bought a box for my .450 this weekend and once we got it sighted in they were shooting 1" groups at 100 yards with two of the shots touching. I want to try them on my .35 and see if they shoot as well in it. I can't wait to see what they will do to a hog. The dead tree we had the target nailed to was shaking when they hit it. We were also shooting a 30-06 and the tree wouldn't move when they hit. The .450 seems to hit just as hard at both ends.