thanx alot guys. i had a totally diffrent 3d in mind. i was thinking of the ones i see on TV once in a while. indoor with pop up targets. outdoor walking through the woods would be a BLAST. Sundays paper should list some. i will see if i can find one near by. that sounds like a ball. i have seen them do that on tv come to think of it. that would be GOOD practice i bet. nothing can compare to the real deal, but that would be the closest you can get!

me and my buddy already plan to put up a ladder stand and one of us move around his 3d in the woods while the other is on stand. get us better at judging treestand distance and making shots from a stand.