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11-15-2002 | 09:30 PM

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JeffB

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RE: Not fast, OR quiet enough !! Little Test I did.

I will make my replies here and that is all I have to say on the matter as well.

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Now you're calling my posts regarding Bowtechs as "unnecessary, Ignorant, and blatant"! C'mon now! "Touchy" only to those that have little respect for others, yes! You talk alot, but you aren't saying anything other than reverting to thinking I am "Ignornant", "touchy", and all my comments lately are "BS". Just general tactics to try and make me look less credible, nice try. Might work with your daughter, but who's gonna believe that here?

<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote> I certainly hope the daughter comment was in a general sense, otherwise it sure DOES hurt YOUR credibilty as "stand up" person, and is certainly a tactic lower than any you accuse ME of.
But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt due to the medium by which we are communicating and asume you meant no malice towards a member of my family.

I nowhere said "all your comments" other than "all your comments regarding Bowtech lately". Big difference. Please read what I said. Also the "touchy" comment was re: the "granpa" part of my post i.e "touchy" re: your age. Again please read what I posted.

I am not trying to discredit you, hoenstly I could care less about your credibility or lack thereof... though seemingly you feel threatened for some reason, since I questioned some of your logic.I think you discredit yourself at times preaching the evils of being "loyal" when you yourself push your fave brand every chance you get. I simply am curious as to why you feel the need to jab and poke at Bowtech lately. It's been going on for awhile. Not just here on this thread. Perhaps you don't "read" it that way, but I do, as have others.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Now all of a sudden I'm "rash"? I don't think so.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote> Seeing how you flew off the handle, demanding an apology re: a farcical post (and was labeled as such with the aformentioned wink, smile, etc), yes. In my book that is rash.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> but I really have no arguement with Bowtechs' bows themselves.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote> So the company or some other factor is the problem? It's very obvious that there is some "bad blood" somewhere. Hey, if it's a personal thing or a business thing, just say so, I respect that, but don't expect people to just go along with it, and when someone "calls you out" don't play Mr. Innocent.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>I see Kevin even had to come out of the woodwork to try and "smooth over" some of the "groupie" comments made on another board. Bet he loves that, too...<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote> So when you talk up how great your preferred brand is that's OK? So because Sag (no offense Sag, jut using you as an example) or someone else here likes your fave brand and talks them up they are not a "groupie"? But I and my "band of merry men" are? Double standard.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>I spoke highly of the Bowtechs when they first hit the scene, and to clarify still feel they are a nice bow, as good as most out there even, but certainly not the "best of class". They still have a ways to go to get to that point, IMO. (My opinion, everyone has their preferences.)<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote> Absolutely. One can express an opinion though without being derogatory on more than one occasion when the chance presents itself.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>It doesn't matter what you or I think either, each person has to decide what he/she likes, and if anyone is having a "my way or the highway" attitude lately, it's you with your brand loyalty, Jeff!<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>. Again, so as long as I'm loyal to Bowtech, that's no good...but if you are loyal to your fave brand, that's OK? I won't even go into the business aspect here. I'd like to say that of the 12 or so bows I bought last (actually this) year, only 3 were Bowtechs. Of the reports I did, it was split. 3 Bowtechs..3 other brands (Hoyt, Mathews, and HCA). While my loyalty may be with Bowtech and I enjoy "preaching the word", I'm not ignorant enough to believe that MY fave is best for everyone. I also don't bash or jab at other companies unless I make it clear I'm "joking" (the smiley winky thing again). I nearly always, if not absolutely always make a fair post regarding equipment...I specify positives and negatives.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>The rest of the babble I'm not even going to bother responding to because it's simply a waste of my time.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote> Precisely the point I was trying to make regarding the "great techs" and listening goes both ways. You decline to debate any of my legitimate questions regarding your "stance" on technical matters..writing it off as "babble". You do more to discredit yourself with that statement.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>It's obvious that you feel you did nothing wrong by telling me you think I'm ignorant, touchy, and full of BS,<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

sigh..Again...if you had read my post,you would see those comments were regarding your attitude about Bowtech lately or your overreaction to the "grandpa thing" Not YOU in a general sense.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> but I still feel as tho you've "crossed the line" with me. I can safely say that I am thoroughly sane,(just had a physical last week as a matter of fact!)<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote> .

I'm sorry you feel that way. And who here questioned your Sanity? What the hell has that got to do with anything?

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>and will always be here to answer questions, whether you like me and my "old ways" here or not<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

Oh boy..where are the violins?...Pinwheel..I don't want you to stop posting here, nor does anyone else. You are a valuable resource, but If you wanna be so strong willed and forceful with your opinions, you better be ready and willing to take some heat back. I like you...never said I did not. I just question and disagree with your logic/thought process at times, and when I felt you were making unfair and/or ignorant statements regarding Bowtech and asked you why point-blank, you got all "high and mighty" about lack of respect and demanding an apology. Yeesh.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>(don't forget that I test all new stuff also, and therefore am not "fossilized" into thinking new stuff is no good, only when it warrants a "thumbs down".)<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote> So have you been shooting say a BKII OP2 or P38DC or PAT, or whatever for awhile? What are you basing your opinion on? The speedbows of yesteryear? Do you still sell Bowtech? do you carry Hoyt? PSE? What brands do you sell in your shop besides your personal "faves", your website does not specify.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>If that entails "telling it like it is" about ANY equipment I feel is not worthy,(or giving the "thumbs up" when I feel it is, read the Diamond thread by Rangeball yet?) then so be it.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote> Good. Except this is where out philosophies differ: You seem to be a "it's great", or "it's crap" guy (thumbs up, thumbs down). I'm a "may be crap for me, but gold for the next guy that tries it" kinda guy. Ahh, and you mean the thread that continued on in another thread where the poster in question decided he did not like the new bows and decided to stay with his 6 year old bow? Then yes, I read that.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Unfortunately my respect for you as an upcoming tech has diminished greatly with your recent attacks<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

Well gosh,...I didn't/don't even consider myself an up and coming tech. Just a guy who buys a lot of bows,and fools around with archery equipment cause he likes too. I have no desire or need to be remembered as a Bow Tech (hee hee..Bow Tech). I'm not here to gain a following or make a buck. I'm here to discuss archery.I would liek to note I find curious you now judge my "value" as a tech because of an argument???..as if now, because we do not agree, and I have apparently insulted you, that somehow now I know less than I did before? LOL!

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>just as whatever I seem to have done to you has pissed you off also<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

Piss me off..Yup that's a fair statement,though only mildly, and I've explained why numerous times. At the same time though, I don't hold a grudge, stay mad, or consider people to have "crossed my line"...ESPECIALLY on the medium of the internet. I'm actually quite a fun person to be around ..agreeable, respectful, and I like to laugh, so I'm told at least.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>I have never once "bashed" or "called out" a tech that had more expereince or knowledge than I, it's an "unwritten rule" of respect.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote> I find it disrespectful for a professional in the industry to needle away at a manufacturer (or whatever else) whenever the opportunity presents itself.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>However I did no namecalling towards you, therefore I still feel it is not me that needs to step forward and apologize in this case<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

Show me where an honest case of name-calling was in my posts, and I'll be happy to apologize for that. The winky smiley Grandpa thing does not count. It's quite common knowledge what those symbols mean (and you use them yourself quite often). If you took that as offensive, then there seems to be a disconnect on your end.

In addition calling your statements ignorant, is not namecalling either. One can make a statement that is ignorant, without being labeled as an ignorant person.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Sure, there are kids that can whip the pants off of us older guys as far as shooting goes, younger eyes, fire of determination and will to succeed (and make money and fame!)go a long way. But there isn't a one of them that knows more about the "entire package" than us older guys who have been around the sport many, many years, or how to tune correctly from MEMORY a bunch of different setups without once shooting it through paper, and when we do it comes out perfect most every time. Some things you just can't read about, and can't learn in a few short years. It takes alot of time and dedication of the entire sport to learn most of it, and the rest we pick up on a daily basis, even after 30, 40, or even 50 years, it never stops. THAT is the difference between "Pro Shooters" and "Pro Archers".<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

And I realize that. But that does not mean things will not and do not change. Many of those little tweaks and fixes and other tidbits of knowledge go out of vogue and memory because of lack of need as things improve. Seems to me from your statements sometimes you feel or at least give off a strong message at times that you cannot learn (or maybe choose not to) from anyone who you do not consider equal to or above you in "tech" knowledge or experience. I disagree. In MY opinion the ability to listen, absorb and learn from anyone or any source is a required trait of a true professional, regardless of industry or vocation.

JeffB

Edited by - JeffB on 11/15/2002 22:33:21

Edited by - JeffB on 11/15/2002 22:36:02