JeffB-
Well now. It's come to this I see, a "facing off" of the "youngster" and the "old Grandpa". (as you put it) I knew that this would eventually happen what with the influx of "Bowtech followers" you seemingly need to try and impress here on the boards, especially when any remark made towards your beloved Bowtech may be taken out of context as detrimental in any way. Oh well, At least you are loyal.....
But---
Let me make one thing clear--- I am not all THAT old, and know that altho I respect your opinions normally, that you have no higher knowledge in ANY Archery category than I unless you have over 35 years experience, and I absolutely take offense with anyone calling any of my comments "BS". You seriously want to insinuate that I am a liar on a public messageboard? You may want to re-think that position. Take a few minutes and really THINK about that. I don't think you have enough technical qualifications to try and talk DOWN to me Jeff,(no matter how many "followers" you gain here) and I do take serious offense to that. You certainly do not want to bash heads with me archery-wise (or any other wise for that matter) for at least another 10 years or so IMO, and I figure you owe me an apology for insinuating that I am a liar. Everyone can state an opinion, and altho you may prove some people wrong, have no right to insinuate that anyone is a liar or tell them their statements are "BS". You also got my post way out of context, I could care less if we have bows that reach 500FPS, and will welcome them when and if we get there, however I do not think John Q Public needs to be force-fed all of the garbage about "how accurate" a 350fps bow with a 5.25" (OK, now 5.5) is when it certainly is somewhat of a "stretch". (Don't forget, I shoot all of these bows too. When I can get out of my "wheelchair". <img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle>)
I do not care what name is out there on these individual bows. I pick on any of them if I feel they deserve it. Heck, it could even be a Horizon instead of Bowtech as they are basically the same design Kev used when with them! (Then maybe you wouldn't be so defensive?) Or it could be a PSE, Mathews, Hoyt, (sorry Frank) yes, even a Merlin!<img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle> Doesn't matter, I am going to call it as I see it, based exclusively on my experiences over the past few decades. I don't pull punches and sugar-coat things, if you cannot handle that, well maybe you're in the wrong sport, sport! Really, just because it has the name Bowtech on it is a non-issue. They are the only ones left that REALLY focus on speed now tho.(and put ads in magazines stating so!) Most everyone else has just settled into their progression, without all of the hoopla. Many do not even post IBO speed rating anymore. I played the speed game, yes, been there and done that, and regardless of whether it was "back then" or now, it is all the same, and I am simply trying to "clue people in" on the real deal of the game. This year it's 350, three years from now,(maybe less) it'll be 400. Then 450. Then 500. It's a never-ending cycle, so why not just shoot the bows that are forgiving and wait for the industry to catch up material and tech-wise instead of with lower brace heights and radical cams and prestressed limbs? You'll like the way you shoot much better if you do, I guarantee it. Anyone that states they can shoot as well with a 5.5" bow as they can with a 7.5" bow cannot shoot very well IMO because they cannot tell the difference! (and won't shoot any better if they conmtinue with the 5.5, either) Better archers can tell immediately, but they also can control it much better also. Like I said, that is why the most popular hunting bows have over a 7" brace height.
As stated, Bowtech has realized this also, and has deepened their brace heights on their "speediest" bows. That was not a detrimental comment by any means, but an accolaide! Nuff said on that.
I am not aware of any statements made lately by myself that would be cause for "undue alarm" or justification for insinuating that I am a liar and my comments are "BS".
I never stated that speed in itself was BAD. It will always increase, but it needs to do so with forgiving designs, not "rat-traps". I stated that giving up forgiveness for raw speed is BAD. And, I also stated that Bowtech has realized this and has taken steps to increase the brace on the BK2 to help with such forgiveness. This is a bash on the emphasis on speed, not any manufacturer! You want me to bash a manufacturer, well lets talk about some other brands, hehe!
You guys simply read too much into my posts in your attempts to make yourselves look smarter while defending your loyalties, trying to "knock off the grandpa". You guys can learn from us "grandpa's" like Len, Field 14, Arthur P, myself, and others, and should welcome that knowledge, not rebel against it simply because it doesn't fit your personal agenda or loyalties! It's sad but these are the reasons so many other great techs no longer post. We've paid our dues, and you up and coming guys have not yet earned the right to be "calling out" any of us, no matter how much you "think" you know. Calling it as I see it, Pinwheel 12
Edited by - Pinwheel 12 on 11/15/2002 17:41:33