I am a guide and would never use a hoochie mama, it is OK but very limited in the type of sounds you can make. I use a woods wise open reed cow call. AS far as a bugle you can't beat a Elk inc. Power Bugle, simple to use and you can mimic a smaller bull. In my experience of guiding and hearing other hunters who use tubes they sound like a monster bull! Well this scares of everything! Good Luck hunting elk are addicting.