I believe you Doug/Just for the heck of it come down to Chester county and hunt on the SGL there. And then summerize your day.It will be something like this/ I arrived early.Went to my spot. By the time it got light I had 12 people walk by me.A couple set up withinh 25 yards of me.i had to wave my flashlight at them. Then At shooting time 6 more clumsey people walked by and wanted to talk. At 8:00 a shot goes off,then 4 more .6 more shots . Deer heading your way. Here comes the deer running full steam with hunter running after bangbang. Holly crap I better get behind the tree. bullits flying everywhere. 10 minutes later a guy goes by ask if you seen that deer. He says I blasted it 3 times in the rear ,but cant find it.By 10 am 6 more people walked by. Noon more walk by.At the end of the day out in the parking lot your parked in.Around 30 vehicles in lot. Guys standing around all talking about the slop shot they made on that one runiing deer and how the bark was flying around them.. And one lucky guy got it.Looked like it went thru a shredder ,but it is dead.