hipoints yea right!! im not that cheap LOL. the cheapest I might go is keltec.I do have a taurus millenium pro which is quite the gun for the money I paid $317 for it tax and all. It is very reliable, reliable enough I use it for a concealed carry gun ive put over 3,000 rounds through and have not had one malfunction. when i first got it I gave it a good cleaning and took it to the range and between 2 days I put it through my 500 rounds with no cleaning test and it passed without a hitch. deffinately gave me a different impression towards the quality of taurus. also it feeds LSWC ammo without any trouble either.

I completely forgot about springfields you sure can get some nice ones for around 400 to 450. id deffinately take a springfield 1911 over the taurus 1911.

I had to take the kimber couldnt pass up the deal. I think he was itching to make a sale or didnt want me to leave empty handed because he offered the kimber at his cost. normally a custom II runs for around $650 then after tax it would come out to over $700 bucks, instead of the $624 out the door that I paid.