cascadedad those 460grn 504s from bullshop bullets are great shooters from my Ultra Mag. They load awsome and I dont have any problems with them coming off the powder. I get great accuracy with or without a wad between the powder and bullet. Also If you ever get a chance try some of the No Excuses made here in Utah. One of the best conicals made IMO. Oh by the way I do have the best wife, sorry guys.