A little more help. What all Buleyes says is right on. I have been using a zebco 888 reels. And have nothing but trouble with them. They work for a very short time then hang up when you push the button,and a lot of times the pin will just not retract, so when you shoot it drags the line out in stead of being free. The other day I used a buddys' 808 and it worked flawlessly all day. I have bought my last 888. and that's my final answer. johnny b.