Ok, thank you one and all!I was just cruising around Docs and White Rifles sites for more info ...

I'll call around and see if I can get a White Ultra Mag ... between you all on this forum and Doc himself helping out with any issues, I can't see how I'll go wrong with a White.

Yes cayugad, I'm planning on installing either a peep or ghost ringrear as I have a hard time shooting most anything else.My state's muzzloading requirements say no 209 primers, and must be both solid lead and no scope as well. Sabot's are ok though - and one must use a 50 cal for game bigger than deer.

Pellets sure seem convenient, but I understand the tradeoff between them and powder and conicals / sabots (and especially when using White rifles).Let me call around to the Sportsman' Guide tomorrow - I'm getting worried about their stock of Ultra Mags!

thanks again all!
phil