Got one abit over 100 pd. Used 130APP and Bonded Shock wave in front shoulder just passed the bone on the neck side out at the short ribsabout the size of a quarter. I then proped him up against a tree and shot side ways through the chest just in the back edge of the shoulder with the 200 gr Shock Wave and 150 APP it tore a 50 cent size hole coming out and went about 3.5 inches into the tree. Since I did not think to take anything to dig it out of a tree with it is still there,but I did measure the depth with a twig. Lee