THANKS ALOT FOR THE INFORMATION JAVA! I HAVE A WATERWIZARD BOX CALL AND A BLACK WIDOW GLASS. I HAVE BEEN IN SO EARLY THE SUN IS NOT UP FOR 2 HRS THEY SEEM TO BE EITHER HENNED UP OR TO MUCH PRESSURE I THINK? THEY GOBBLE IN SPRING TILL 6 AM EASTERN TIME NOT A MINUTE AFTER. I HAVE 3 FLOCKS I THINK AND IN 100 ACRES IT IS LIKE WHERE I GO THEY SEEM TO BE ELSEWHERE IN THE AM. EVEN AFTER I TREE THEM ON THERE ROOST TREES. IN THE FALL NOT A GOBBLE AT ALL THEY ARE TOTALLY QUIET NOT A SOUND BUT A HEN ( BOCK ) EVERY NOW AND THEN. I TOTALLY BELIEVE THAT IT WILL JUST BE A PATIENCE GAME! I JUST SEEM TO GET THE BIRDS THAT ARE OUT OF SEASON TO RESPOND TO MY CALLS BUT STILL I WAIT FOR THAT BIG ONE TO FOLLOW THE 2-6 HENS WALKING BY BUT NO LUCK. EITHER THEY KNOW I AM THERE OR I AM NOT SEEING THEM BEFORE THEY SEE ME BUT I AM TOTALLY 3D LEAFY OUTFITTED AND MY EX-MILITARY EXPERIENCE IS A PLUS AS WELL. I GUESS PATIENCE WILL PAY AND THANK YOU FOR RESPONDING SO MUCH!!!!!!!! MIKE