thanks for the information. I just got back from the shop, and it's a martin Hunter, not a mamba. It's 50# at 28inches. I like the bow alot. I just really wonder if it's goin to be worth the money. I just sold all my old paintball stuff to buy a Alpine lightning Force compound bow with sights only to find a recurve is really what i want. The new compounds are really hard to shoot. I curently shoot a PSE compound purchased in 1982. It feels alot like a recurve compared to the alpine. The shop owner said he could sell the alpine for me so i should break even.