BBVA: Had one on a S@W Mod. 41 .22 target pistol, deadly, but $286.00. I recently saw a type of red dot that 10 Pt is selling that really impressed me. Problem is Randy howed me soooo much in so little time, I'm not sure what it's called. He showed it to me in the parking lot and it was camo'ed, had several different guess you'ld call them reticules, but I could see how you could use bottom, top, middle, for various yardages, and would like to experiment w/ them more. Maybe he can tell ya what it was, just know it was swell.