I have a savage 10FP in 223 and it shoots great now but it didn't out of the box,had to bed it.I got one of the sps in 22/250 when they first came out and it shoots great out of the box.A buddy got one of the Tikka varmitors in 308 and he let me shoot it a few weeks ago,I shot four 3-shot groups in a row that were one holers at 100 yds now that was awesome.So you can get shooters out of any brand if you get lucky.